You're listening to the Great Simplification.

I'm Nate Higgins.

On this show, we describe how energy, the economy, the environment, and human behavior all fit together and what it might mean for our future.

By sharing insights from global thinkers, we hope to inform and inspire more humans to play emergent roles

in the coming great simplification.

I'd like to welcome Professor Steve Keene back to the podcast.

Steve is author of debunking economics and the new economics a manifesto. Steve is author of debunking economics and the new economics, a manifesto.

Steve is, among many other things, a research fellow at the Institute for Strategy,

resilience, and Security at University College in London.

He is writing a new book.

And today we discuss one of the chapters in his book, which is a economic sleuth

story on the origins of energy blindness. We go back all the way to Adam Smith and look at a series

of wrong turns in the road that classical and that neoclassical economists made

on the treatment of land, energy, and things that are not capital and labor. This is a difficult

podcast. Steve is an economist talks in a lot of economist language.

I barely understood what he was saying, but I did understand the critical

importance of his main message is that our main shaman of our culture today, those that

we look to for answers and explanations of what's happening

and what will happen in the future are truly divorced from our biophysical and ecological

reality in their formulas. So this ultimately is a really big deal. There's a chapter in

Steve's upcoming book on that. But this is a really big deal. There's a chapter in Steve's upcoming book on that.

But this is a one and a half hour treatment of energy blindness and its origins.

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