Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Koppelman. Thanks for listening. This is a good one.

A great, well listen, a great drummer, one of the great rock drummers.

Also, an excellent writer, along with my buddy Steve Heiden,

he has just written a book about his life as the drummer and a founding member even though you

you technically weren't a founding member I mean you really were a founding member of

the Black Crows there was a band band called Mr. Crows Garden was first

and then and then I was the first person to actually go yeah yeah I'll hang I'll do this

for real. Right to really do it. Was a high school band turned into a post high school band turned into the Black Crows?

And I feel very connected. So Steve and I have followed each other online for a long time, but I feel very

connected. First of all, I loved the book, book as you know I gave you a blurb and I did up.

You gave you one hell of a blurb.

Let's not get ourselves.

I tiered up when I read it.

And that's a true story. Listen, if when I read it. I'm glad to hear that.

Listen, if you can do it, do it thing.

But I loved reading the book.

I read it in a weekend.

But part of the reason is it was personal to me

because I saw Mr. Crow's Garden at CB-Geebies in a

gig that you talk about. I was at that gig with about 14 people.

When Haydn told me that, I was like I cannot believe that you saw that show.

And then I was at your first show when the album came out, you guys played either the whiskey or the Roxy. I don't know which one it was, but it was a sunset strip record release gig.

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