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Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Koppelman. Thanks for listening. I'm thrilled that Steve Amond is on the other end of the phone. We're doing this one long distance because Steve and I tried to meet up in person and it didn't work.

He is the author of like 12 books, some novels, some essays, some non-fiction.

He wrote, he's taught, he's a teacher also, he's a really great podcast that I love called

Dear Sugar and that came out of a column originally, right?

It came out of a column. I started, Cheryl Strait took it over and actually made it a big

important thing and then it became a

podcast and you know man I that's really a terrific podcast that you and Cheryl

two together right most of the time yeah all the time. So, you know, Steve, you wrote a book years ago that is, has stayed really important to me, and that's the book, Candy Freak.

When I read the book, and I'm sure you get this all the time, I had that experience that Paul Oster talks about the people having in

in Leviathan which is I felt as though I knew you it's such an an intimate look

inside who you were as a kid and who you were when you wrote the book.

And I've read, I read Heavy Metal to your collection when it came out.

And yeah, I've read you for a long time.

But Candy Freak, and I really dug that book, but Candy Freak mattered to me in a different way

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