Hey, this is the moment. I'm Brian Cobelman. Thanks for listening. This

podcast has been over a year in the making. My guest today is Jamel Hill, who

now writes for the undefeated,

it appears on ESPN, but before this,

host the sports center, host of his and hers on ESPN,

a legend in the business and

Jamele thanks so much for coming to do this.

You're right this has been a long time in the making but I'm happy we finally made it happen.

You call me a legend that That's kind of crazy.

But you are, listen, when someone's been doing something for a long time at the top of the field and all right, the word I really think is more appropriate if you want the truth is hero.

Oh, no, I wrote it down to say. is more

appropriate if you want the truth is hero.

Oh, uh, no, I wrote it down to say because look, you weren't a position where you could have just coasted.

You could have coasted and got more money and more fame and more power only. Most people in your position not only would have done that but

continued to do that and you stood up and were willing to more than one time say like no I actually have no

choice but to speak out and I'm the label for that is heroic.

You know, because you sacrificed

knowingly the second time the kind of things that most of us live for and would protect with all our might.

Yeah, the weird thing about it is probably the first go round, the initial tweets about Trump I didn't actually consider that to be

breaking news okay that he was surrounding himself with racist yeah I't. I thought we sort of all decided after Charlottesville, you know, that we were at least kind of

on a particular page and I was in a back and forth with a Twitter user like it wasn't a thing where

I was adding the president and saying here this is what I think about you so I was just sort of in

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