From KCRW, I'm Kim Masters, and this is The Business.

Before he co-created the FX comedy series Reservation Dogs,

Sterlin Harjo directed three micro-budget films in his home state of Oklahoma.

He had tried knocking on Hollywood's door,

but somehow he never could find financing.

I heard that multiple times that NATO films don't make money.

You know, I even heard like, well, this film's just a little too Indian, you know,

or like, this film's not Indian enough.

We don't know where to kind of categorize it, you know.

So it was very confusing.

Harjo tells us about almost leaving the industry entirely before teaming up with longtime friend Taika Waititi to create reservation dogs, a quirky coming-of-age comedy with an almost entirely indigenous cast and crew.

Season one is streaming now on Hulu and the network just announced plans for a season two.

But first is Times Up for Times Up?

Stick around. It's the business from KCRW.

I am joined by my partner in banter, Matt Bellany. Hello, Matt. Hi there. So, Shang Chi, which is a very

important movie to the movie business generally and to Marvel also, had a huge weekend, everyday weekend.

Normally a dead zone. It had a $94 million opening. This was a bold move. I think Kevin Feige has done more representation on a mass level. I can't think of how many people who could say

they did Black Panther and then they did Shang Chi. He has taken Marvel where he wants it to go. He has

the clout to do it. But there will be and is continuing discussion about what it means because it was

not a movie that Disney put on the streamer for a $30 upcharge as it did with Black Widow.

It's not day and day, like the Warner Media model where they put it on the same day.

It opens in theaters for no extra charge if you were a subscriber to HBO Max.

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