Welcome. I'm Connor Beaton, and this is the men talk show, training for men and

answers for women. Now, joining me today on this very timely episode is Dr. Stephen DeVige. And Stephen is a

current senior lecturer at Manchester University in the United Kingdom. He specializes in

philosophy. He did his undergraduate degrees in South Africa, where he did his bachelor,

and then he did a master's in the United States and a PhD in the UK, all within the realm of

philosophy before taking up his post at Manchester, where he currently teaches. He taught at

Rhodes University in South Africa and the

University of Sheffield. So I wanted to have Stephen on the show because I came across this

article a few weeks back called The Attraction of Apocalypse, the philosophical roots of our

fascination with catastrophe. And this was an article that Stephen had written about a

month before. And the article really dives into why we as human beings have this somewhat

obsession and attraction to apocalyptic thinking and narratives and why catastrophe plays such a big role in our life, whether it's

catastrophic thinking, whether it's becoming, you know, consuming the type of news that

many people do in our culture that are very catastrophic in nature and the way that they

present situations and scenarios. They're very fear-based. And so Stephen sort of lays out his philosophy

as ideas around why we as human beings have such an attraction to these forms. We talk about

some of the current events and how it fits in with the philosophy of our attraction to the apocalypse.

And we talk about just some of the more interesting facets of the dark side of human beings

and the philosophy, how philosophy sort of points towards it.

And I think one of the most interesting things about this and one of the reasons why I wanted to have Stephen on the show was because

of one of the main things in the article that I read is something that we talked about in this

episode is how apocalypse, how our apocalyptic thinking and catastrophe thinking really plays into how we construct morality,

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