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The death of Navalny, a hero in Russia and outside of Russia for those who despair of Vladimir Putin and the regime.

However, the New York Times promises a future wife, protector, and now political air

Julia Navalnya Rallis Russians.

It is the story of our times, strong men,

dominating the scene.

Is that the future of the 21st century?

I welcome my colleague and friend Mary Kessel, Executive Vice President

Stevenson Incorporated, former senior advisor to the Secretary of State, who traveled in the corridors of strong men for several years and is here to measure not just Vladimir Putin but the emerging picture that Gideon Rockman of the Financial Times presents as strong

men's sheik. There is Modi of India. There is Orbán of Hungary. There is Pueblo of Indonesia. There is Donald Trump of the United States.

We could go on, that's enough to say that this trend is in place, according to Mr Rockman, I don't disagree.

Mary, a very good evening to you. The Strong Man Sheek, if that's what it is right now enjoys the fact that when these leaders travel

they're not shunned they are not castigated.

So what do you measure about the response to Nervale's death?

Is this another passing tragedy or has it turned the page on Putin?

Good evening to you.

Good evening to you, John.

Well, before we go into that, I would like to issue a slight correction there.

I certainly would not put Donald Trump in the category of a strong man.

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