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broadcaster and journalist Benedict Spence. Good morning, Benedict. Good morning. You are tweeted up, I am. Which you need because there's a brisk nip in the air this morning, is there not? And yesterday, there was a Dickensian smog hanging over the capital. It was atmospheric. It was. I quite like it. Oh, it's a tremendous thing. I thought I was in an episode of Sherlock Holmes.

That's the sort of thing. I quite like it. Oh, it's a tremendous thing. I thought I was in an episode of Sherlock Holmes. That's the sort of thing that I quite enjoy. And it really upsets me that you can't light fires now in most London homes. It's illegal. Thanks to that fool, Michael Gove. Yeah, we have to be smokeless. Smokeless city. Michael Gove, another example, probably the unofficial leader of the left-wing

conservatives that sold out this country. He's had a wild time, Michael Goh. He's had a really curious career, sort of divotting from one sort of wing of the party to another. At the very least, it'll be a great book, is what I'd say. And I'm all said and done. I'm looking forward to that. be a page turner, won't it, twists and turns?

Divert, well, he's a bit of a divot himself. No, he's

not. Look, he's an intelligent guy.

Yes, yes. My favourite said and done. I'm looking forward to that. It'll be a page turner, won't it? Twist and turns. Divert, well, he's a bit of a divot himself. No, he's not. Look, he's an intelligent guy.

Yes. My favorite pronouncement of his was during the Brexit negotiations when he said, I've quite had enough of experts. And there was such outrage, such pearl clutching at the time. Do you remember? I do. And it was funny because what he was saying, I think, was exactly right, and it chimed with the mood in the country. And it was the sort of the, you know, what ended up being the defeated category of the credentialists and the professional classes who were outraged, that, you know, having paid huge amounts of money for their credentials, that they would ever be challenged on this. Because, of course, in this country, credentialism simply means having the title on your name.

It doesn't actually mean any sort of innovative thought

or anything like that.

God forbid you ever have to learn something

after you finish your degree.

Can't have that.

Well, that's right.

The issue you've got is that letters after your name

means that you don't have to do critical thinking anymore.

Like MP.

Well, that would do it. That would do it. And it was interesting with the experts because I think he was referring, of course, to the profits of doom saying that there would be a run on the pound. There would be a housing market crash. Interest rates would have to go up straightway an emergency budget project fear, of course, propounded by George Osborne and David Cameron, and it was all supported by financial

experts. We saw the same thing, did we not, during the pandemic with that junk modelling,

Imperial College, again, letters after their name, saying that basically tomorrow everyone's

going to have COVID and we're all going to immediately drop dead. And that junk modeling, of course,

was the basis of lockdowns and other ruinous policies. Which ironically, cost us infinitely

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