Stacey Abrams on the SAVE Act: The New Voter Suppression Threat
The Oath and The Office
Corey Brettschneider
4.9 • 591 Ratings
🗓️ 19 March 2026
⏱️ 72 minutes
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Summary
On this episode of The Oath and The Office, Corey Brettschneider and John Fugelsang break down the latest fight over the SAVE Act, why its proof-of-citizenship requirement could make it harder for millions of eligible Americans to register and vote, and what this battle reveals about the future of democracy.
Then Stacey Abrams joins the show to explain what the bill would do, why it is so dangerous, and how the broader attack on voting rights fits into the Trump-era push to undermine democratic institutions.
Also in this episode: Gregory Bovino is out, Judge Boasberg pushes back against politically charged legal tactics, and Trump lashes out at the courts yet again.
This is a conversation about voter suppression, constitutional democracy, and who gets to decide the future of the country.
Learn more about the ACLU and its upcoming Supreme Court case at aclu.org/barbara.
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| 0:00.0 | This episode of The Oath in the Office is sponsored by the ACLU. |
| 0:14.4 | Welcome to The Oath and the Office podcast. |
| 0:17.1 | I'm John Fuglesing. |
| 0:18.2 | It's so great to be with you. |
| 0:19.6 | And today, well, when you throw an illegal war to get the Epstein files off the headlines, and then that war kills many civilians and troops, and it's run by lying idiots, and it doesn't make you more popular, and judges are pushing back on your gerrymandering. You have to do something to rig the midterms, which brings us to the |
| 0:38.4 | Save Act, friends, because nothing says freedom like a bill designed to save democracy by throwing |
| 0:44.1 | several million citizens out of it. For more, let's go to the star of our show, the author of, |
| 0:49.2 | The Oath and the Office, and the Presidents and the People. Professor Corey Brechtnider, |
| 0:52.9 | it is great to see you. Welcome. |
| 0:59.6 | Thanks so much, John. An amazing show planned today. Of course, we'll talk about the Save Act, |
| 1:04.9 | and we have the honor of talking about it with one of the most important pro-democracy activists, |
| 1:10.5 | somebody who's been in the state house, Stacey Abrams, an incredible voice for democracy. |
| 1:15.3 | So we'll have our segment as usual in the beginning, and then we'll bring her on to really go in depth on some of these issues. |
| 1:17.1 | It's really an interview that I've been so excited about and that I think the listeners will |
| 1:22.3 | love. |
| 1:22.9 | I'll say, too, if you're just joining us for the first time, be sure to push that |
| 1:26.7 | subscribe button. And then finally, John, I was first time, be sure to push that subscribe button. |
| 1:28.1 | And then finally, John, I was just speaking to a journalist today for a story that's coming out soon, who listens to the podcast. |
| 1:34.0 | He was asking me some follow-up questions from discussions we had. |
| 1:36.8 | And he gave us an amazing compliment. He said that we're not the odd couple. |
| 1:41.7 | We're really this different, you know, two different personalities that work well together. The best analogy is a Butch and Sundance, which I thought was one of the best compliments that I've ever received. |
| 1:52.6 | We're symbiotic. Like I'm like a parasite that gives you something back for this. Is that how Butch and Sundance work? no not really no they were much more they were much more |
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