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Fresh Air

Stacey Abrams On American Autocracy & Her New Chapter

Fresh Air

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4.4 β€’ 34.4K Ratings

πŸ—“οΈ 15 July 2025

⏱️ 49 minutes

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Abrams isn't running for office β€” but she's not ruling it out, either. "Politics is a tool ... for getting good done, but it's not the only one." Her new thriller novel is Coded Justice. She spoke with Tonya Mosley about voter suppression, her faith, and collaborating with her siblings on her books.

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Support for NPR comes from NPR member stations and Eric and Wendy Schmidt through the Schmidt Family Foundation, working toward a healthy, resilient, secure world for all. On the web at theshmit.org.

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This is Fresh Air. I'm Tanya Mosley. And today my guest is Stacey Abrams, a name synonymous with political strategy, voting rights advocacy, and literary prowess,

0:26.0

authoring 17 books across various genres, from romance and thrillers to nonfiction and children's stories.

0:34.0

Her latest thriller, Coded Justice, is the third installment in a series that centers on Avery Keen,

0:40.4

a former Supreme Court clerk turned corporate investigator who steps into the world of AI to examine a system designed to revolutionize veteran health care.

0:49.6

What begins as a promising innovation, spirals into profound questions many of us are grappling with right now

0:55.8

about technology, ethics, and justice. Beyond her writing, Abram served in the Georgia House of

1:02.2

Representatives for more than a decade, including as a minority leader, becoming the first woman

1:07.2

and the first Black American to lead either party in the Georgia General Assembly. She ran as a

1:12.7

Democratic nominee for governor of Georgia twice in 2018 and 2022, losing both races, but drawing national

1:20.4

attention to issues of voter suppression, particularly during her remarkably close 2018 campaign.

1:27.4

In response, she founded Fair Fight Action,

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an organization credited with boosting voter turnout in Georgia

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and contributing to Democratic victories in the 2020 presidential and Senate elections.

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Stacey Abrams, welcome to fresh air.

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Thank you for having me.

1:43.9

Okay, what a time to be releasing a book, Stacey, for two reasons.

1:48.5

Number one, your novel dives into the world of AI.

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I mean, it's something that all of us are thinking about.

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It's on our minds right now.

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It's dominating headlines.

1:57.1

And also, there are so many questions that we are all grappling with in this moment about the state of our democracy.

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