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Rising Floods, Cuts To FEMA And Future Chaos

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🗓️ 16 July 2025

⏱️ 48 minutes

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Summary

ProPublica Editor-at-Large Abrahm Lustgarten says the deadly flooding in Central Texas — which has killed over 130 people — underscores the dangers of a more volatile climate. Despite clear scientific evidence, the federal government has made cuts to research and forecasting, even threatening to dismantle FEMA. "We could talk about the floods in Texas as being an early warning sign of policy degradation to come," he says. "And we can expect to be more on our own and unsupported by those policies when these disasters continue to happen in the future.

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thanking the people who make public radio great every day

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and also those who listen. This is Fresh Air. I'm Tanya Mosley. Right now, crews in central Texas

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are waiting through debris and on and off rain in the search for those still missing after

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catastrophic floods. In the early morning hours of July 4th,

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while the country was preparing to celebrate, the Guadalupe River rose in some places between

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30 and 40 feet, killing more than 130 people, including dozens of children at a summer camp,

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with another hundred or more still missing. In the days

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that followed, FEMA reportedly failed to answer nearly two-thirds of the urgent calls for help. Local

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officials relied on spotty cell phone alerts that came too late, and now they're under intense

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scrutiny for those delays. Meanwhile, with the National Weather Service

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hit by budget cuts, there's real concern this disaster could have been better predicted,

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and that more lives might have been saved. My guest today is investigative journalist

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Abram Lustgarten. In his latest article for ProPublica, he writes about the horrifying

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details of this latest catastrophe

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and the broader story about America's shaky relationship with climate change,

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highlighting how unprepared we really are.

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He writes that the floodwaters didn't just wash away cabins and homes.

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They expose dangerous gaps in our warning systems and local infrastructure and federal

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