Welcome to the Self Publishing School podcast. This is the podcast to listen to if you're an

aspiring writer or an author who wants to be more successful. On this show, you'll learn how to

write and launch a book successfully, all from the top authors and people just like you

who are doing it at the highest level. I'm your host, Chandler Bolt, the founder

of self-publishing school, the author of the book called Published and the CEO of self-publishing.com.

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Hey, Chandler Bolt here and joining me today is Ryan Hawk.

Ryan is a keynote speaker.

He's a host of a podcast called The Learning Leaders Show, wildly popular podcast, millions of downloads in more than 150 countries. He's also of the author of the

book, Welcome to Management, awesome topic. And he's got a brand new book that's coming out

real soon by the time you're listening to or watching this. It's probably already came out

and you can grab a copy. It's called The Pursuit of Excellence. All right. So Ryan, welcome.

Great to have you here. Chandler, man, you've already been a huge help before we started recording.

So I really appreciate, man. It's good to be with you. Yeah. So I will start with why this book,

why did you decide to write your first one, but why did you decide to write your first book?

And how did you see that fitting in with your speaking, with your business, with your

podcast, all that good stuff?

I think it's similar to what you were just saying before we started recording.

And that is I thought of like one of the biggest pain points of my career as well as a lot

of questions I was asked and what people were hiring me

for. And that is making that that first leap in your career from individual contributor to first

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