Well done. You've sorted through the embarrassment of riches that is the modern podcast landscape

and found me Rob Briden on my podcast. In this series of Briden and I talk to among

others Harry Hill, Ben Elton, Charlotte Church, Steve Cougan and Dame Harriet Walter.

And that's just a few. We tend to chat for about 45 minutes to an hour never longer.

It's terrific conversation, reminiscent where appropriate and exchange of anecdotes.

So do join me Rob Briden wherever you get your podcasts.

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The Panic is a new comedy podcast from Wondery that leans into our most absurd anxieties and

defuses them with humor and actual advice. Listen to Don't Panic on the Wondery app or

wherever you get your podcasts.

From ABC, this is the 10% happier podcast. I'm Dan Harris.

I return guest this week, one of my favorite humans spring wash them.

Who I make fun of in my first book 10% happier relentlessly, but she then turns out to be

the hero of the key chapter in that book. And she's back because you if you if you've heard

her first visit, great, you don't need to go back and listen if you haven't heard it.

It's it's all good. But even if you did here and remember her first tour of duty on this

podcast, there is a whole side to her story that is really incredible and and disturbing

and inspiring. It's all in a new book that she's written. And I was unaware of a lot of

this biographical information until until this interview. So you'll hear it all come

pouring out from spring. And you know, it involves incarceration. It involves race.

It involves lots of really thorny subjects. And at the heart of it all is somebody who

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