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Spotify unwrapped w/ Liz Pelly

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🗓️ 3 December 2025

⏱️ 96 minutes

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Summary

In 2006, the music streaming service Spotify, founded by Swedish entrepreneurs Daniel Ek and Martin Lorentzon was launched in the context of widespread music piracy, file sharing, and declining profits for the music majors. Presenting themselves as music fans who were intent on saving the music industry, Spotify has since gone on to become the dominant music streaming platform, far eclipsing any of its rivals, and making Ek and Lorentzon billionaires. While once lauded by the media, Spotify's reputation has significantly declined as understanding of how little most musicians receive from streaming has become more widespread and as Spotify has courted controversy by populating some of its playlists with so-called "perfect fit content" - stock music produced for Spotify in order to reduce the amount of royalties the company pays to rights holders. Journalist Liz Pelly has done more than most to bring to light practices such as these and to challenge the myth-making of Spotify's founders. In today's episode we spoke about the early years of Spotify, as it emerged in the context of mass file sharing and as the major music labels were coming to see Sweden as a lost market - making it ripe as a site for experimentation with streaming. We went on to talk about how Spotify is shaping the user habits of listeners and about the damaging consequences of the datafication of music. Finally, we chatted about some of the inspiring efforts to challenge the dominance of Spotify that have emerged in recent years, as both musicians and listeners seek to find ways to create music communities and to preserve and curate music history - practices that Spotify's dominance has severely eroded.

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0:00.0

The

0:07.0

The Hello and welcome to another episode of Politics Theory Other.

0:32.3

My name is Alex Doherty and my guest today is Liz Pelly.

0:35.8

In 2006, the music streaming service Spotify, founded by

0:39.9

Swedish entrepreneurs Daniel Eck and Martin Lorenzon, was launched in the context of widespread

0:45.5

music piracy and file sharing and declining profits for the music majors. Presenting themselves

0:51.6

first and foremost as music fans who were intent on saving the music industry

0:56.1

and creating a seamless listener experience for users, Spotify has since gone on to become the

1:01.5

dominant music streaming platform, far eclipsing any of its rivals, and making Echin-Lorentz

1:06.7

on billionaires. While initially lauded by the music press and tech media, Spotify's reputation

1:12.7

has significantly declined, as understanding of how little most musicians receive from streaming

1:17.6

has become more widespread, and as Spotify has courted controversy by populating some of its

1:22.7

playlists with so-called perfect fit content. Stock music produced for Spotify in order to reduce the

1:29.4

amount of royalties, the company pays to rights holders. And by introducing Discovery Mode,

1:34.5

a program that increases the prominence of artists' tracks on Spotify playlists in return for a reduced

1:40.0

royalty rate, what many critics have described as a modern-day version of the Paola radio scandals.

1:46.7

My guest today, Liz Pelly, has done more than most to bring to light practices such as these,

1:51.2

and to challenge the myth-making that Spotify's founders have engaged in, in order to portray the

1:56.1

company as being on the side of musicians and music fans. We spoke about the early years of Spotify as it

2:02.1

emerged in the context of mass file sharing and as the major music labels were coming to see Sweden

2:07.3

as a lost market, making it ripe as a site for experimentation with streaming. We went on to talk about

2:14.0

how Spotify is shaping the user habits of listeners and about the damaging

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