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Do you often, or have you often in your career had to call somebody kind of cold call somebody for a story?

Somebody that like you didn't actually know but you got their number because you're trying to track them down.

Maybe like, I know a while back you were doing a story about the mid 2000s White Sox teams.

I think you're actually doing a story about the 06 White Sox team the year after they won the championship.

And so like maybe you had to track down somebody like he had to get somebody's phone number and call him and they didn't know you or anything like how often have you,

how often do you or have you had to do that where you're introducing yourself to somebody in a phone call basically?

Every once in a while, I think it happens a lot with like people in the industry now, like agents and whatnot.

It's more of that than people with stories.

Because usually the way I like to operate is if I'm working on the story and I'm talking to somebody and somebody they know is somebody I also need to talk to, it's like, hey, can you let them know?

So it's not that weird interaction.

Yeah.

My way...

My way to smooth that over typically is I actually do not call people, period I if I get somebody's number I will text them

and explain who I am and why I want to talk to them and ask them is it all right

if I call you or is there a time I can call you or could you call me?

Because I don't think anybody, it feels too, especially if you're someone somewhat famous I think,

it feels way too intimate and invasive that somebody can just call your phone.

That you could just be in the middle of anything and get a call from a reporter and I don't want to give

somebody else that feeling. I'm much more about texting to explain and then, you know, hopefully get a response and get a call back or get a time that I could call them back. But you didn't have that 20 years ago.

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