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Every year, hundreds of thousands of people from all over the world flock to Las Vegas for the Consumer Electronics Show.

And they spend a week trying to sell each other on the weirdest gadgets you've ever seen in your entire life.

This week on the Vergecast, we're talking all about everything happening at CES, from the TVs to the AI gadgets, to the humanoid robots that everybody is hoping might someday do your laundry and wash your dishes.

All that and much more on the Vergecast wherever you get podcasts.

This is Recode Media with Peter Kafka. That is me.

I won't tell you where I am. It doesn't matter where I am.

I do want to tell you about today's show, which is cool. It's not quite a two-fer. It's maybe a one-and-a-halfer. He was Steve Martosi, a serial entrepreneur, which means he started two companies, Group Me. That was a messaging company. Sold for a bunch of money. And now he's doing Splice, which is a really interesting digital music company that I've been sort of paying attention to for years.

It's a... Now he's doing Splice, which is a really interesting digital music company that I've been

sort of paying attention to for years.

It's a good conversation where we get to talk about starting companies, starting second

companies, the state of the digital music business, how you can make money from it.

I referenced Lil Nas X multiple times, so that's all good.

And also a conversation with my pal, Jason Del Rey,

the world's best commerce reporter. He also happens to work with me. He has a very cool podcast

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