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Well, I have a privilege of following up with Nancy Kane from last week.

And if you listen last week, you know that Nancy is the associate professor and program director of the Christian spiritual formation certificate program at Moody Bible.

And as a fellow heir, but also as a woman who has sent to the Seattle

School, some of the finest students we've ever had, you know, your Moody students have been

such an interplay of biblically committed, aware, but profoundly honest and open.

Let's just say the students who have sent us, Nancy, have made my teaching so much more joyous.

So thank you for the labor.

But as we begin to talk about your certificate program, I want folks to be able to enter into what you're doing and also how they can participate

if there is a draw of the spirit into that labor.

So first of all, just tell us a little bit about the certificate program.

Well, it's a, I call it a pilgrimage in that it's a year program with the option of a second year that they can attend,

which is four two and a half day retreats over that year period.

And following each retreat is a curriculum that each person receives that invites them into the journey with Christ.

There's a number of levels to it.

There's a level of understanding the largest storyline. There's a level of levels to it. There's a level of understanding the largest storyline.

There's a level of understanding who you are in Christ,

what it means to face into our true selves as well as conversely, our false selves,

how that plays out.

We look at our, as we talked about last week in the podcast, we look at our attachment wounds and how that affects our relationship with Christ because on earth, so in heaven,

you know, if we have wounds here, we will play those out with God as well.

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