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And for the listener, Kaya Paul drives early doors.

I think my voice is going to give out by the end of this.

So I think in this intro section,

you might be able to hear me through the sort of topic

bit, you'll occasionally hear a small squeak

that'll be me and then by the end it'll be complete silence.

It's quite a weird sound, Ben,

because your voice seems to have gone deeper and higher.

There's no more resonant as if the, you know,

bits are higher, but sort of more squeak at the same time.

You're saying you're kind of on reverb mode.

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