Hi guys, Liz Wheeler here. I sat down with former Secretary of Education, Betsy DeVos,

and talked about her experience working in what's maybe the deepest of the deep state agencies

in the executive branch of the federal government. And the conversation was fascinating because I

asked her to give me examples of what some of these swamp creatures did to her when she was

Secretary of Education. We know that education in general at the federal level, and particularly

the Department of Education is co-opted by these very radical leftist teachers unions. And this

is true, not just for the political appointees at the top. This is true for even staffers.

Secretary DeVos told me stories of what specific staffers did to try to sabotage her

when she was at the Department of Education. And I think that you will really enjoy this.

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for free for the first month of your annual subscription. Without further ado, here's Secretary DeVos.

All right. Hi guys. Welcome back. I'm sitting here at the Young America's Foundation conference

in Washington, D.C. with a very special guest. With me now is the former Secretary of Education

Betsy DeVos. Secretary, good to see you. It's good to see you, Liz. This is so exciting to sit here.

I mean, you were on the forefront. You are on the forefront, but we're so in a very specific,

significant way, being in charge of the Department of Education. That's where I want to start. You

made comments recently about the Department of Education saying that you think it should be

completely abolished. This was music to my ears, but tell me from your perspective on the inside

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