Hello and welcome to Happy Place with me, Fern Cotton.

This is the show that doesn't shy away from tackling big emotions.

Today I'm chatting to spend some athyues.

There's part of the reason why I'm quite grateful that I was the age that I was when he died was.

It never hit me as hard as you know it could have done because I never really believed it.

You know when I was called up to my parents' room and they said Michael's gone missing on the mountain.

And they were visibly crushed. I didn't really understand why they were crushed.

I just thought well let me know when you find them type of thing.

It wasn't nobody survives the night on Everest you know.

Like I didn't know that you know to me.

Michael was this unstoppable force of nature and there's no chance that his life could be taken from him.

Spencer was 10 years old when his brother died having just reached the summit of Mount Everest.

Over two decades later Spencer decided to retrace his brother's steps in the hope of recovering his body.

And in the process pieced together an image of who his brother was.

This groundbreaking search and recovery mission has been documented in the most beautiful film called Finding Michael.

This documentary completely blew me away.

It was deeply deeply moving to see Spencer go on this incredible mission to try and find his brother's body.

And it felt like a real privilege to see the intimate moments of Spencer's personal discovery working through loads of emotions

and also dealing with how that was going to affect his family as well.

It's so beautifully shot and just a very very special film.

Now a quick warning that towards the end of this chat we do talk about how the film ends.

So if you want to go away and watch the film first that is totally fine.

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