The

The We increasingly feel like we're in this scenario I've been worried about since at the moment,

Charlie Kirk was shot, where his

death, his assassination, is used by those in power to excuse a crackdown on those they have

already seen themselves as at war with.

You have the crazies on the far left who are saying, oh, Stephen Miller and J.D. Vance,

they're going to go after constitutionally protected speech. And no, we're going to go after the NGO network that

fomence, facilitates, and engages in violence. That's not okay. Violence is not okay in our system.

It is a vast domestic terror movement. And with God is my witness, we are going to use every resource we have at the Department

of Justice, Homeland Security, and throughout this government to identify, disrupt, dismantle,

and destroy these networks and make America safe again for the American people.

It will happen, and we will do it in Charlie's name.

I think it's a very, very, very dangerous moment. But it's not inevitable.

Leadership is always a choice.

You can choose to use a moment like this to deepen our divisions, to pull us apart from each other, to make politics into something yet that much closer to war.

Or you can use a moment like this to reduce them, to try to take the

country in a different direction than the one we've been going in. We have had over the past week

and change an example of that kind of leadership too. Charlie Kirk was murdered in Utah. The governor

of Utah is Spencer Cox, a Republican, a conservative, but one who is very, very concerned about the ways we've been coming apart as a country.

He didn't come to this on that day. He's been thinking about political de-escalation, thinking about the way we disagree with each other, and how we can do it in a way that does not tear us apart for years now.

So I wanted to have him on the show to talk about what that day, that week was like for him,

what it has left him thinking about, and what he thinks we should do now.

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