Oh, hi, hey, it's the second place pie at the Bake-Off Alley Ward, and here we are with a deep dark

exploration for you of some freaking caves. Let's get musty. Let's get into the hole as fast as we can.

All right, this guest is a well decorated and lauded

Nat Geo Explorer, a paleo climate researcher, a caver,

and they studied physical geography

at the University of Birmingham in the UK studying

microclimatology of caves and then got a PhD at the School of Geographical Sciences

at the University of Bristol.

They're now an assistant professor of paleoclimatology at the University of Innsbruck,

and she has explored caves all over the world, including in the remote reaches of Greenland, and we'll hear about those adventures in a minute but first thank you to all the patrons who support the show for a dollar or more a month at

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looking for a kid-friendly episode, we have started a new show called

Smologies that you can find anywhere you get podcasts, that's a link in the show notes.

And also thank you to everyone who's ever written or review, they help so much. I have read them all and to prove it I pick a fresh plucked one and this week it's from Katie Holyfield who wrote that they always feel like they are smarter, kinder, and more understanding after listening.

Also, they had a dream that they met me at a bakery and that I helped them pick out the perfect pastry

and that we became best friends. Kitty Hollyfield can't go wrong with an almond crescent.

Unless you're allergic to almonds or dairy or you have celiac.

Let's get down into it.

Let's get dirty with the word spielology, which comes from once again the Greek it always

comes from Greek pretty much always spelio meaning caves and in this episode we're

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