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Greetings, podcast friends. This is a replay.

I know people always say, by popular demand,

but this is actually by popular demand.

So many of you have asked about this podcast specifically

because Brandt has been revisiting the topic of UFOs

because it has been in the news.

And so this is from 2017,

his interview with Gary Bates.

And we actually do a pretty decent job of setting it up.

So I'll just turn it over to the 2017 Brandt & Sherry.

It's hard to preface what you're about to hear because

a couple reasons, because it's complicated.

And it's really strange. It's going to weird people out.

And if you are weirded out, you can totally bail, obviously.

I was weirded out.

She couldn't bail.

And so this is a story of hell because she didn't bail.

And then things started to make sense to her.

And it started that once he was laying out the case

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