Hello, Prestige Heads, and welcome to American Prestige. I'm Danny Bessner, here as always with my friend and comrade Derek Davidson.

And we're talking to you on this sad, I guess. It's always interesting to talk about presidents and their deaths and how one should feel when a president dies because they are at the top of the war machine.

But Jimmy Carter, maybe you could tell me if I'm wrong about this, Mike.

Obviously, I'm sure he did many bad things.

But he did seem like a relatively decent guy and Jimmy Carter has died.

Funny enough, I have a weird story about Jimmy Carter.

I'm doing this podcast on Nirvana, as all of you know, and I've read a lot of things that Kirk Cobain wrote.

And something that he would repeat in his diaries is like Jimmy Carter is an honorable man.

Something along those lines.

He wrote it in several different places.

So that always struck me as odd.

And of course, you have the Simpsons line.

What is it, Derek, Jimmy Carter is history's greatest monster?

History's greatest monster, yeah.

One of the funniest things I think that I ever heard as a young man.

But we invited my friend, Mike Frankzac, to talk about Jimmy Carter.

Mike is, of course, a research fellow in the Division, Peace climate and sustainable development at the International

Peace Institute, and also a lecturer in history at Columbia University and an expert on the 70s

and U.S. foreign policy. And Mike, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, Danny, and thank

you, Derek, for having me back. It's a pleasure to be here, despite the circumstances.

Despite the circumstances.

And everyone should know we are recording this

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