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That's kind of conversation to your soul.

That's conversation.

It's all. Hello, Prestige Heads, welcome to I'm D'Neath.

Hello, Prestige Heads, and welcome to American Prestige.

I'm Danny Bessner, sad and lonely, because unfortunately, Derek couldn't make it today,

but I'm very excited to welcome back to the podcast today. I think you've been on two or three times at this point, but that's Van Jackson.

Van is a senior lecturer in international relations at Victoria University of Wellington in New Zealand.

He's author of a bunch of books, but we invited him to talk about his, isn't your most recent book or another

one has come out more recently.

So far it's the most recent, but next year.

I know you and Mike Brennis have the book coming out, which we'll have you guys on

to talk about, but his most recent book, Grand Strategies of the Left, The Foreign Policy

of Progressive World Making, and this is a great book because I believed I am thanked in the acknowledgments, and I am cited all over the place, which is basically every book should be more like that.

But Van, thank you so much for joining us. Thanks for contributing to the latest book.

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