And the So, The Hello, I'm Ryan Stitt, and welcome back to the History of Ancient Greece.

We are taking a break from our regularly scheduled programming

for another special guest episode.

In a series where I converse with classicists and ancient historians

about either books or articles that they have published,

their current research interests,

or just unique classes and topics that they are teaching and exploring further.

In today's special guest episode,

I am joined by Dr. Denise Mikowski, Professor of Classics, an affiliate of Black World Studies at Miami, Ohio University.

She has written extensively on the politics of race and gender and antiquity and is currently at work on a project

examining the role of eugenics in early 20th century classical scholarship.

But in 2012 she published her book, Race, Antiquity, and its legacy, which will be the topic of today's conversation.

It accounts for the various ways in which ancient cultures thought about race, including

race's social practice and racial representations.

We also dig into the Black Athena controversy a bit and why the field of classics handled it so

poorly.

And so without further ado, here's my conversation with Dr. Denise

Minkowski. Denise, thank you for coming on. We've been trying to get this

together for a while now. For the listeners, follow me on social media. You know, Denise is in Miami, Ohio, and I've been down visiting a few times to her class. Our students are awesome.

She'll talk about that, but when I leave this location, I'm going to miss going down and talking about 300 with their students.

So yes, thank you for coming on virtually.

Sure, it's a pleasure. We're going to talk about Denise's Race Antiquity and its legacy book that she published in 2012,

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