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Making Sense with Sam Harris

Special Episode: Engineering the Apocalypse

Making Sense with Sam Harris

Waking Up with Sam Harris

Samharris, Currentevents, Politics, Ethics, Religion, Neuroscience, Science, Society & Culture, Philosophy

4.6 • 29.1K Ratings

🗓️ 24 April 2021

⏱️ 221 minutes

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Summary

In this nearly 4-hour SPECIAL EPISODE, Rob Reid delivers a 100-minute monologue (broken up into 4 segments, and interleaved with discussions with Sam) about the looming danger of a man-made pandemic, caused by an artificially-modified pathogen. The risk of this occurring is far higher and nearer-term than almost anyone realizes.

Rob explains the science and motivations that could produce such a catastrophe and explores the steps that society must start taking today to prevent it. These measures are concrete, affordable, and scientifically fascinating—and almost all of them are applicable to future, natural pandemics as well. So if we take most of them, the odds of a future Covid-like outbreak would plummet—a priceless collateral benefit.

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0:00.0

Imagine we're in another pandemic, and the disease has been deliberately engineered

0:04.9

to be more contagious and way more lethal than COVID-19.

0:08.5

That's right, it's a man-made pandemic, and the virus is so deadly, it kills roughly half the

0:14.0

people that infects. So if you and your spouse catch it, at least one of you will probably die,

0:19.4

and maybe you both will. Likewise, any other duo, you and your best friend, you and your kid,

0:25.7

the President and Vice President, and an uncontrollable outbreak is underway. Next, imagine this

0:32.3

outbreak sweeping through a power plant. Did the lights stay on? With half the staff dead or dying

0:38.3

and the other half thinking they're next? And if the power goes out, how do we reach the internet?

0:44.4

And with no internet, how do we find out, well, practically anything that we need to know to

0:49.1

navigate this unprecedented existential threat? Now imagine you're a frontline worker,

0:54.9

at the power plant, or caring for the sick, or delivering food. People are getting wiped out at

1:00.3

50 to 100 times the rate of COVID. It's a coin toss as to whether you'll survive if you get sick.

1:06.5

Do you report to work? Or do you hunker down with your loved ones at home?

1:10.8

Until you all get really hungry? Supply chains disintegrate in situations like this.

1:16.6

The grocery store is that actually opens, sell out, not just out of toilet paper,

1:21.2

then they don't get restocked. And pretty much everything else disintegrates too.

1:26.0

For all of its horror, COVID hasn't shut down the power, the water, law enforcement, or the flow

1:32.2

of information. But something this lethal could just shut them all down. And while you may be

1:38.0

more imaginative than I am, I just can't picture civilization surviving and encounter with something

1:43.9

this deadly. And the problem is, we're on a collision course with some version of this scenario.

1:49.2

Hi, I'm Rob Reed. And I've been worried about artificially modified viruses for a few years now.

1:56.5

My background is that I'm a long-time tech entrepreneur who went on to become a writer.

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