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This is CBSi in the world Behind the Black with Bob Zimmerman. I'm John Bachelor.

Bob, a very good evening to you.

We've got lots of wonderful launch stories, very positive stories.

Even when they don't launch, they learn things. Is that correct, Bob. I wanted to go back

over that over these years. The so-called failure to launch is not a failure as we understand it.

It's a learning experience. Is that an actual way to look at it?

Always. Of course you really do not want a

failure that causes a loss of life but any failure in engineering is a is a

learning experience if you approach it right. You don't simply just say, oh we can't do this anymore,

you say, well what did we do wrong and how can we fix it? That's exactly right job.

We go to the India Space Agency, Israel, Bob's, used to be favorite big space outfit.

What are they up to, Bob?

This is India.

I've got two stories from India and they both indicate strongly how India is becoming, it's working very hard to catch up to China and the

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