This is CBSI in the world.

I'm John Batchezer.

Bob Zimmerman, he keeps the website behind the black.

Tucson.

We're going to the Fandom Space Facility.

Bob, what is that?

Good evening to you.

Good evening, John.

Phantom is a rocket startup, founded by a guy named Jim Contrell, who had been the CEO of another rocket startup vector that went belly up, unfortunately.

But Cantrell didn't give up, so he put together another company, Phantom, and I've reported on them in the past.

They're a startup. They haven't flown anything yet, though they, you know, have possibilities.

But he gave me a tour about three years ago, and so he invited me to come back, and he

was going to have an event at his place for his workers, in a sense, because Apollo 16, astronaut Charles Duke has agreed to be an advisor for the company.

And so he was going to visit the company for the first time.

So Jim Cantrell put together a little event for his employees, and he invited me to go as well.

We got to hear Charlie Duke talk about his Apollo 16 mission in his life.

As usually, he's an astronaut. He's very not chalant about things. He, him and John Young on their rover, drove up the slope of

Stone Mountain, reaching an elevation of 500 feet, which is the highest any human

has ever been on the lunar surface. And I asked him, you know, that's pretty remote from all humanity.

And he just laughed.

We felt at home there.

They had done so many simulations and studying of the terrain beforehand that from the very

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