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SPACEX: BAHAMAS FLAPDOODLE. BOB ZIMMERMAN BEHINDTHEBLACK.COM

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 19 April 2025

⏱️ 16 minutes

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SPACEX: BAHAMAS FLAPDOODLE. BOB ZIMMERMAN BEHINDTHEBLACK.COM
1961

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0:00.0

This is CBS, I on the World.

0:07.3

I'm John Batchel.

0:08.3

The Earth-Moon System, the United States of America, NASA, the U.S. government, ready for the moon.

0:15.4

But Bob Zimmerman, he keeps the website behind the black.

0:18.8

Bob, the lunar program is a puzzle to me now because

0:22.5

it involves elements of NASA's SLS and elements of SpaceX, and after that I get lost. Your

0:29.5

opinion. Good evening to you. Good evening, John. Well, the headline of my essay that I wrote

0:34.4

yesterday on Behind the Black, I think says it all. Let me quote the headline.

0:38.7

An American government program to get to the moon is simply not necessary.

0:45.0

If we let Americans do it, we should let Americans do it on their own.

0:49.5

And I come at this, John, as a historian, looking back at the past.

0:53.3

From the first two centuries in the United States, we had no government programs to do

0:57.2

these kind of things.

0:58.7

In fact, people didn't want them.

1:01.1

Americans were all for exploration and pushing things forward, but they wanted Americans

1:07.0

to decide where to explore and push forward.

1:09.7

They didn't want the government doing it, and they didn't care if America was not first, like getting to the South Pole or the North Pole.

1:16.6

They didn't care if an American got there first.

1:18.6

It really didn't matter to Americans at all.

1:21.6

Our prestige was not based on achieving these stunts.

1:25.6

Actually, our prestige was established by what the country stood for, which is life, liberty,

1:34.4

and the pursuit of happiness and the idea that the citizen is sovereign.

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