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Business Movers

Southwest | Author Joe Guinto Reveals the Secrets to Southwest’s Success | 5

Business Movers

Wondery

History, Entrepreneurship, Business

4.71.6K Ratings

🗓️ 14 July 2022

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Writer, editor, and Southwest guru Joseph Guinto talks about the current state of Southwest, and the legacy Herb Kelleher left behind. 

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0:31.0

It's May 2004 in Dallas.

0:34.0

The head of Southwest Airlines Flight Attendance Union has been summoned to a small conference room at the company's Lovefield headquarters.

0:41.0

The room is filled with cigarette smoke, so it doesn't take a second for the union head to figure out who he's meeting with.

0:47.0

Along with the airline's president Colleen Barrett, Herb Caller is puffing away in the room.

0:53.0

Hacking through the haze, the union head takes a seat at the table.

0:57.0

Herb, what are you doing here? Well, I'm negotiating new contract for your union. You are. Herb, we haven't been negotiating in weeks.

1:05.0

Management walked out, shut everything down. I thought we were going to have to go on strike. Well, you're not.

1:11.0

Tell me how we got here, and then we'll sit at this table and we're going to hammer out an agreement.

1:16.0

The head of the union looks at Herb wide-eyed.

1:19.0

For the last 16 months, the union has been negotiating a new contract with a team of Southwest attorneys and the man who replaced Herb as CEO three years earlier, Jim Parker.

1:29.0

But the negotiations have been a disaster. Jim scoffed at most of the union's demands, and Southwest flight attendants picketed across the country.

1:38.0

In response, Jim walked away from the bargaining table. Now he's threatening to bring in a federal mediator to solve the dispute, and that's got the union head fuming.

1:47.0

Well, Herb, it's always nice to see you, but where's Jim? He's going to come back in here, right? You'll let me some more? No, Jim won't be negotiating. I'm handling this now.

1:56.0

And all the lawyers? The mediator? We'll bring those guys in later. We don't need them. I trust you. You've always been honest with me.

2:04.0

So we're going to solve our differences the way families do. Well, Herb, I'd like that. Then let's make a deal.

2:10.0

What is the biggest problem you're having? Well, we're working hundreds of unpaid hours every year. You know how productive we have to be.

2:17.0

Southwest flight attendants probably work 23 unpaid hours a month, much more than any other airline. Well, if that's the case, I can see why you're angry.

2:25.0

But it's not just the hours, Herb. Just imagine in your head a workforce forced to work five days a week, but all you get paid for three and a half, and they have to sing and dance and have smiles on their face the entire time.

2:38.0

Yeah, I understand where you're coming from. And to show that I admire, value, and love our flight attendants.

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