Hello everyone, welcome to this interview. I'm pleased to be joined by Baron Shepherd, also known as Morning Shot.

A great podcaster from South Africa, and you're talking about South African politics, but not only.

Yes, so thanks for having me on the show. So I'm a YouTuber in South Africa, Byron.

I do a lot of videos around South African politics and how they interact with the rest of the

world and how the rest of the world interacts with South Africa.

South Africa is obviously a very interesting topic when looking at your own geopolitics,

because if you look at many of your own trajectories, we already had them.

So if you really want to see where the future of your country is, have a look at mine. And you get a good idea of where you're going.

And that's why the people across the world should care about South Africa. And one thing is

one thing that comes to mind all the time is that most people, not our audience so much, but most people have the

idea that Nelson Mandela was elected and after Nelson Mandela was elected as the president

of South Africa, everything was heaven on earth.

And we are basically at where the movie with Morgan Freeman left us at the end.

But reality deviates from that view considerably.

What's, could you just give us the extent to which this happens,

especially from the perspective of someone who lived there?

Yeah, okay. So the idea of Nelson Mandela coming in

and everything was Kumbaya is actually a very interesting story. So you have to cast your mind back to

Nelson Mandela walks free. We have the election in 94. Come 94, there's a short delay. They

draft the constitution. There's a lot of dispute over what's

going to be in the constitution. The government itself is at that point in time what they call

what they called a GNU, a government international unity. It included the national party,

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