I am your host, Fidazmodad. I am joined in the studio by Joseph Robertson. He's a former

advisor to reform. He ran as a candidate for them for council elections, and he's a big reform

supporter. And we wanted to bring him onto the show and have a chat with him about the current

situation of Britain, reforms future plans, and what can we

expect between now and the next general election scheduled for 2029, but it might happen sooner

given how the Labour government is imploding. So Joseph, thank you so much for joining me.

Good to see you, Ferris, as always,

and thank you for the introduction. Yeah, there's a lot to cover in one sitting, but

there is a lot to talk about. There is a lot to talk about. I guess the question on everybody's

mind is that there is a critique of reform that is coming from online

circles but now is also coming from Jacob Rees-Mogg and Alistair Heath and their question is

along the following lines. To govern Britain, there's got to be a bench of up to a thousand people

between the three, 400 MPs who are necessary, the 400 MP candidates, 500 MP candidates, at least

that are necessary, between the spads, the appointees to the lords, etc., etc.

This is a massive HR operation.

And this is necessary because if you're going to have people sitting in parliamentary committees

and asking the heads of these quangos and the various civil servants, what are they doing and why are they doing it?

And when will they start doing it properly?

This expertise is going to be necessary.

So this is really the first concern that friends of reform have about the party.

What can you tell us about that?

Well, first of all, I think there's a, there's a very important point that we've

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