You never get over it. Grief is a lifelong journey, but when you're willing to enter that journey

and acknowledge its place in your life, it stops becoming something that necessarily always fills the room.

I'm just so grateful that I had the honour of carrying them for the time that I did and that they changed my

life. Welcome everybody. This is Simon Gilbo with Inspired. I'm really excited with that

another fantastic guest. Basically, if you're new to us, Inspired is all about meeting a whole

bunch of my mates and

contacts from all sorts of different warps of life. And it involves stories, hearing how they've

journeyed, how their faith has pulled them through sometimes. It's authentic sharing. It's the highs,

the lows. And yeah, I've got no doubt you're going to be absolutely moving inspired this week because we've got a fantastic guest called Zoe Clark Coates. Welcome Zoe.

Thank you very much. It's an honour to be on your podcast. Well, brilliant to have you. So Zoe and I both at Spring Harvest a few months ago and I've heard some of her story. Yeah, I mean, it touches me because I think as you hear her story, you'll either

have experienced some of what she's been through it or you'll know someone who's close to you,

who's been through it as well because she lost five babies and then basically was the founder

of Mariposa Trust, which some might know under the emblem of saying goodbye,

with her husband Andy all the way doing this together.

And it's a charity that's become one of the leading support charities reaching over 50,000 people a week across the world.

I suppose you're a grief expert.

That's one of the things you'd say you were.

She was appointed by the Secretary of State for Health to co-chair the National Review of Baby Loss across the NHS and the UK. She's written a whole bunch of books that have sold really well. She's got her own talk show called Soul Tears. She does loads of media stuff. And anyway, let's get into that. But the other day when we're talking, Zoe, you told me the incredible story right from your conception. It's been amazing, hasn't it? So kick us off with that.

Yeah. So people will often ask me when I became a Christian. And I always feel I need to start prior to that. Because when I was growing safely, took away in my mum's womb, things started to go wrong.

And my mum and dad didn't really have a faith. My mum had grown up being taken to church for, you know, the traditional occasions Easter, Christmas and whatnot.

My dad hadn't been raised in a faith background taught either.

And it was during that pregnancy that things started to go wrong.

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