We're dropping in a bonus episode.

I had the best time talking to a friend of mine that you know.

He is Dwight Shrooch from the office, among many, many other things.

His real name is Rain Wilson, and his real interest is in spirituality and matters of the soul. That's why he

started a podcast called Soul Boom and wrote a great book called Soul Boom. And when I was telling Tammy

about this conversation, she said, I bet our listeners would love it. I think we should share it.

So here is a conversation between me and my friend

Rayne Wilson about curiosity versus fear and judgment and also about the ways that each of us

is creative. So enjoy this conversation where Rain Wilson interviews me for his podcast, Soul Boom.

You're listening to Soul Boom.

I think we are really misunderstanding moods.

So happiness is not a good mood.

The idea that you should never be in this set of moods,

and you should only strive for this little tiny, like, target of moods, is so problematic.

Because then every time you're in one of these moods,

you think there's something wrong with you.

And it's like, but those moods are part of it.

This is the full human experience.

You're going to be in all the moods. All the moods are part of it. This is the full human experience. You're going to be in all the moods.

All the moods are coming.

Hey there, it's me, Rain Wilson.

And I want to dig into the human experience.

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