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The Lawfare Podcast

Sophia Yan Explains How to Become a Dictator

The Lawfare Podcast

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 15 November 2022

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

Sophia Yan, pianist for the Lawfare Podcast and Rational Security, is also The Telegraph’s Beijing correspondent—or at least, she was until the other day. She’s produced a new podcast entitled, “How to become a dictator,” about the rise and rule of Xi Jinping and her own struggles as a reporter in Xi’s China. Now Sophia’s in Taiwan after a hasty exit from the country, and she joined Lawfare’s editor-in-chief Benjamin Wittes to discuss the new podcast and her departure from China. Who is Xi Jinping really? How is Xi different from other recent Chinese leaders? Why did Sophia leave China? And did she take her piano with her?

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rational security, chatter, law fair no bull, and the aftermath.

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I mean, there's a public good to the surveillance side,

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but there's also a really coercive element to that.

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Same thing with the contact tracing.

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Great for public health.

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You know, they can figure out if you might be at risk,

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but then it's got this other side where they can use this to control your freedom of movement,

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and it's already happening.

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So that on top of the way things were going politically,

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this country has changed so much in these 10 years.

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And so that's what I set out to do,

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to show and to give a sense as much as possible,

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who he is and how he might think,

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and why this ideology is so important to him,

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and why the Communist Party is so important to him,

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and then to also understand how that has impacted the way China has taken a turn

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in this direction over the last decade.

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