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Also, if you look at supports by Republicans, for instance,

the support for Ukraine, I think, is in the order of about 94% back in February March.

It's now nearly 50-50.

Someone has been doing a lot of work to ship that needle,

and that does change things, that does change how easy it is for the United States to support Russia.

So, yes, the information operations don't necessarily look the same,

like, put a driven navel, whatever, or a TikTok means, and so on.

I don't mean to say that, you know, pejoratively, Ukraine does a lot of work bigger than that,

just because it's not super obvious doesn't mean that it's not happening behind the scenes.

I'm Natalie Orpet, executive editor of LawFair, and this is the LawFair podcast,

November 16, 2022.

Matt Tate is a cybersecurity expert, who has worked both in the private sector

and for the British government at GCHQ, the UK's intelligence security and cyber agency.

He's also a LawFair contributor.

Like a lot of us, Tate has spent the last several months thinking about Ukraine,

and my colleague, LawFair's editor-in-chief Benjamin Wittis, had cybersecurity questions for him.

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