Hello and welcome to another episode of I Way with Jameeda Jamel, a podcast against shame.

I hope you're well and I hope you enjoyed today's episode because you've been asking me to interview this guest for years

and I've been trying but our schedules have been very difficult to align because she's very talented,

beautiful and cool and kind and humble and in demand and well informed and I love her.

I'm in love with her. I think that's what we've just realised I'm in love with her.

Her name is Sophia Bush and she is one of the great entertainers of my generation and someone

that I think we were all collectively madly in love with during her nine years on One Tree Hill.

She has gone on to not only be an actor but a great podcaster. She's a wonderful podcast

could work in progress which kind of deals with some of the same issues as this podcast has

and she's a phenomenal advocate and she has been long before it was cool to use your privilege

to speak about important issues back when it was really like career-rending to do so. She's been

advocating for controversial issues and recognising early on that her job is to advocate to the people

that look like her which has privileged white people rather than making marginalised people do that work.

In this episode we just have a super laid back warm chat about everything that's pissing us off,

everything we want to do, everything that we both care so much about, the things that we think

have problems with our movement or our way, the things that we have so much hope in and the things

that keep us up at night and some of those things are abortion and the politicisation of it and

she really gets into the nitty gritty of why that's become such a hot topic, why trans and drag issues

have become such a hot topic. It's a conversation that isn't without its depressing moments of course

because when talking about injustice that's inevitable but it's ultimately so hopeful because

her optimism just bursts through the microphone and I promise we end this on a really positive

and hopeful and energised note and also just enjoy her wonderful voice which sounds like

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