Welcome to Hard Talk with me, Stephen Sacker.

This year marks 80 years since the start of the Nuremberg trials

when some surviving leaders of Nazi Germany were put on trial for crimes against humanity.

In today's program, there's another chance to hear an interview I recorded in northern Germany back in 2017 with Nicholas

Frank, the son of Hans Frank, the brutal Nazi governor of Poland, between 1939 and 45.

Nicholas Frank was only seven years old when his father was executed after those Nuremberg trials.

Hans Frank had been one of Hitler's most trusted lieutenants, a lawyer who defended the Nazi party

and became Governor General of Occupied Poland, an enthusiastic, tireless,

ruthless overseer of genocide who had the blood of millions of Jews and others on his hands.

Hans Frank ruled Poland as if he were a king.

Nicholas, as a child, saw just glimpses of the unimaginably cruel reality.

He has lived under the shadow of his father's crimes ever since.

He became a journalist and a writer.

He, more than any other child of the Nazi elite, has spoken out publicly of the evil

within his family and within Germany.

And even today, he seems to feel deep mistrust of his own country and people.

So has he let the crimes of his father define him? Nicholas Frank, welcome to hard talk.

I'm wondering why you have chosen to make your life in the very far north of Germany.

Is it because you wanted to get as far away as possible from your family background in Bavaria?

No, I still love Bavaria.

And every year we are about many weeks in Bavaria, in the same village where I grew up.

But it was my professional as a journalist, and Stern magazine, which I worked for 23 years, was based in Hamburg.

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