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This is a CBC podcast.

Welcome to Sick Boy, a podcast where we talk about what it's like to be sick.

This week's guests are Madison and Michael, the co-creators and stars of something undone.

Let's talk about it.

So we got together when we were on the dog, the rooftop of Taylor's

condo building yesterday.

Last night, like, having a few beers sitting outside and a couple of friends came over.

And it, like, it was, like, the first time where, like, felt really normal again.

Like, we've hung in a few times in a person.

Well, we also had a very, like, normal summer.

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