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Deadline: White House

"Something that in normal times would be scandalous"

Deadline: White House

Nicolle Wallace, MS NOW

Nicolle Wallace, Politics, Versant, News, Msnbc, Government, The White House, Ms Now, Daily News, Washington Dc

4.56.5K Ratings

🗓️ 24 June 2026

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

June 24, 2026; 4pm: Nicolle Wallace on a new book by New York Times reporters Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan -- full of carefully reported accounts of Donald Trump pushing or ignoring norms and boundaries... as those in his orbit do nothing to resist his worst impulses.

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0:00.0

Hi there, everyone. It's 4 o'clock in the East.

0:06.5

Power, revenge, vanity, corruption. Those are not the usual or normal words anyone thinks of

0:14.2

to describe the United States president. But it is those prevailing themes that leap off every

0:20.0

single page in a brand new book about Donald Trump's second term as president.

0:24.6

Regime change inside the imperial presidency of Donald Trump.

0:28.6

It is written by two New York Times reporters who have contributed enormously to what we as the public know about Donald Trump and his inner circle.

0:37.8

Maggie Haberman and Jonathan Swan are those journalists.

0:41.0

On every page, the book reveals something that in normal times would be scandalous and big news,

0:47.5

kind of stories we'd talk about for the whole two hours on this show.

0:51.1

And there are dozens of them in here. Dozens of carefully reported accounts of

0:56.5

Donald Trump pushing or ignoring norms and boundaries as those in his orbit do nothing over and over

1:03.7

again to resist his worst impulses. Take, for example, the monumental decision to launch a war

1:10.0

with Iran earlier this year.

1:12.5

On that, Haberman and Swan report this.

1:15.1

They write about how in February Donald Trump met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu

1:20.2

inside the Situation Room, which was weird in and of itself, as they report.

1:25.9

Quote, the Situation Room had rarely been visited by a

1:29.3

foreign leader in person for such a sensitive meeting. Inside the sit room, Netanyahu presented

1:34.5

his case for attacking Iran on which Trump was then sold. And when Trump's team met afterwards to

1:40.7

discuss the plan's feasibility, here's how that went. Quote, when Trump joined the meeting, Ratcliffe briefed him on the U.S. intelligence

1:48.2

assessment of Netanyahu's presentation.

1:51.0

The CIA director used one word to describe the Israeli prime minister's regime change scenario.

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