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Deadline: White House

"More questions raised about risks to national security"

Deadline: White House

Nicolle Wallace, MS NOW

Nicolle Wallace, Politics, Versant, News, Msnbc, Government, The White House, Ms Now, Daily News, Washington Dc

4.56.5K Ratings

🗓️ 23 June 2026

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

An explosive new report in the Washington Post raises more questions about risks to national security -- this time about Bill Pulte’s predecessor, Tulsi Gabbard.

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0:00.0

My guess is based on his past experience, it's just going to be another hot, steamy pile of

0:07.9

do shit. I think he's incompetent sycophant and not the right person to lead DNI.

0:16.0

Unleashed Tom Tillis is everyone's favorite Tom Tillis. Hi again, everybody. It's now five o'clock in the east. First, there was Elon Musk. And now, according to one U.S. Senator, you heard there, there's Bill Pulte. The man who is now the nation's acting director of national intelligence, who has zero intelligence experience under his belt, is currently cutting jobs at the agency he has led for not even three full days.

0:39.7

That is, according to a senior White House official, following through on a directive given to him from

0:44.8

Donald Trump. Top Democrats on the Senate and House Intelligence Committees wrote a letter to

0:49.8

Poltee stressing this, quote, given your lack of experience within the intelligence community,

0:55.5

it is difficult to imagine that in such a short amount of time, you've already developed fully informed

1:01.4

views as to how to shrink ODNI without incurring risks to national security.

1:07.2

Meanwhile, an explosive new piece of reporting in the Washington Post to tell you about,

1:12.0

raising even more questions about risk to national security in this office specifically.

1:17.8

These are about Pulte's predecessor, Tulsi Gabbard.

1:21.1

Washington Post reporter John Swain details his lengthy investigation into Tulsi Gabbard's relationship with a religious leader whom

1:29.2

she once described as her guru. The man is named Chris Butler. He led an organization called

1:35.7

The Science of Identity. It's a Hari Krishna group. Swain reports this, quote, some former members,

1:42.1

however, have called the group a cult and said disciples were

1:45.7

isolated from the outside world, characterizations the group denies. Former devotees had been

1:52.9

telling me for weeks that Butler controlled his followers' major life decisions and demanded

1:58.6

total obedience and secrecy. They said that he spent years working to

2:03.5

extend his reach into politics, and they suspected Tulsi Gabbard's rise in Washington was the

2:09.1

culmination of that effort. Swain's investigation uncovered hundreds of confidential memos that

2:15.2

appeared to include direction and guidance for Tulsi Gabbard.

2:18.4

Quote, some contained instructions on what legislation she should propose, which policies

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