Soldiers Not Warriors | Interview: Kori Schake

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

Politics, News

4.6 • 6.3K Ratings

🗓️ 22 October 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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AEI Colleague Week is off with a bang as Jonah Goldberg dives deep with Kori Schake on the interplay between the American military and government. They survey history and current events alike, covering the Whiskey Rebellion, Andrew Jackson’s invasion of Florida, Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth's meeting of the generals, and the Israel-Hamas ceasefire. Shownotes:—The State and the Soldier—Bret Devereaux’s Dispatch author page—Jonah on Congress—Live Remnant recording in Grand Rapids on November 4—Jack Goldsmith on the Insurrection Act The Remnant is a production of ⁠The Dispatch⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including access to all of Jonah’s G-File newsletters—⁠click here⁠. If you’d like to remove all ads from your podcast experience, consider becoming a premium Dispatch member ⁠by clicking here⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	Ladies and gentlemen, can I please have your attention.
0:18.0	Can you digger?
0:27.5	Greetings, dear listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remnant podcast, brought to you by
0:31.5	the dispatch and dispatch media.
0:33.8	Very excited.
0:34.4	I guess this is AEI colleague week.
0:37.4	It just occurred to me. We have one of my
0:40.0	favorite people. She runs the foreign and defense policy shop at AEI, Corey Shockey. She also has a new
0:47.9	book out, The State and the Soldier, A History of Civil and Military Relations in the U.S., which seems quite well-timed.
0:58.2	Corey, welcome back to the remnant.
1:00.6	It is such a joy to be back.
1:02.9	Okay, standard question for people on a book tour.
1:04.9	What's your book about?
1:06.0	So I set out to try and answer the question of how is it that a country founded in fear of a standing
1:13.4	army has come to think of our military as a bulwark of democracy in America. And so I started with
1:23.5	George Washington and worked forward to the present to try and explain how our military
1:29.8	changes as it professionalizes and why it is that in 250 years a military this powerful, this
1:39.3	publicly appreciated, this influential in policy, has never been tempted by a coup or state
1:48.8	capture of the government.
1:51.8	It kind of feels like somebody out there saying, hold my beer, hearing you say that,
1:56.9	but we don't have to get there quite yet.
2:00.6	So, I mean, like, it's been a long time since I read Huntington's, what was it, the soldier in the
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