More Than Evolution Requires | Interview: Charles Murray

The Remnant with Jonah Goldberg

The Dispatch

Politics, News

4.6 • 6.3K Ratings

🗓️ 23 October 2025

⏱️ 82 minutes

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Join Jonah Goldberg as he reverts into an intimidated little policy gnome in the presence of Charles Murray, our greatest living social scientist. Jonah and Charles brave the deep waters, inquiring into the existence of God, the reliability of the New Testament, the reality of life after death, and the possibility of reincarnation. Plus, titillating side comments on Star Trek whales and milk theft. Shownotes:—Taking Religion Seriously—Murray’s last appearance on The Remnant—Taking Religion Seriously: A Book Event with Charles Murray at AEI—Just Six Numbers: The Deep Forces That Shape The Universe—Human Accomplishment: The Pursuit of Excellence in the Arts and Sciences, 800 B.C. to 1950—Mere Christianity—Father Pine Remnant Episode The Remnant is a production of ⁠The Dispatch⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including access to all of Jonah’s G-File newsletters—⁠click here⁠. If you’d like to remove all ads from your podcast experience, consider becoming a premium Dispatch member ⁠by clicking here⁠. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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1:00.9	My thanks, dear listeners, this is Jonah Goldberg, host of the Remedin podcast,
1:02.7	Brasch for the dispatch and dispatch media.
1:08.9	I have a few people who I have on this podcast regularly, who I can call old friends,
1:10.6	but not that many, to be honest.
1:16.4	I mean, there's Tevi Troy, I mean, I've known Chris Starwell for a while now,
1:20.6	but I've known our next guest and been friends with him for a good chunk of that time when I wasn't intimidated little policy gnome at the American Enterprise Institute in the 1990s.
1:26.6	Charles Murray, who is a, as I have blurred a couple of
1:32.2	his books, I have said that he is arguably the most consequential living social scientist,
1:37.5	and I will stand by that. He's been on the podcast once before, but that was a while.
1:42.0	And he's a emeritus scholar at the American Enterprise Institute,
1:46.4	author of Losing Ground and coming apart in a zillion other books. He really needs no introduction.
1:51.7	But he hasn't been on here in a while, and that's partly on me, because things have been busy.
1:56.1	And Charles was in a funk. And then Charles got out of his funk because he found religion, or at least that's
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