Nostalgia has never meant anything to me.

I'm never interested in what we did in the past.

I'm interested in what we're doing in the future.

It would be really sad if I was still trying to write about being a 20-year-old man in my 50s.

So I try and write about the things that concern me now.

Do you want to deliberately avoid politics?

No. I don't want to deliberately avoid politics, but I think it's become increasingly tribal and increasingly toxic and it's very

difficult to talk about.

Hello and welcome to ways to change the world. I I'm Christian Giro Murphy and this is the podcast

in which we talk to extraordinary people about the big ideas and their lives and the events

that have helped shape them. My guest this week is Brett Anderson, the frontman of Swade,

who are releasing their 10th album called Antidepressants and are taking over the South Bank

Centre in London for a series of events in September.

Now that, of course, will be after a summer of Brit pop revival provoked by the Oasis concerts.

That whole movement was, of course, something Swade were inescapably associated with, but always a bit disdainful of.

Swade remain unmistakable in their sound,

but Brett's writing continues to evolve to the times and his age.

Never acutely political, it is nonetheless clearly social commentary,

and it's a delight to welcome you to the studio.

It's a pleasure to be here, Christian.

So you've called this, in fact there's a track on the album called Broken Music for Broken People.

Yeah, yeah.

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