And I think that view is one, it is totally by condescending saviors.

And just like, you people need to shut up. We'll figure it out. We know the science. And like you just sit and be a pawn and we'll move you around on the chessboard. I mean, literally, like if you're playing a game of chess and you're like, well, this pawn told me it doesn't want to die. Like you're being an player. But, like, that's sort of the world we're in.

You know, like, my car wants are irrational within their frameworks. Welcome to the Deaf Panel.

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So today we are joined by friend of the panel, Nate Holdren. You may

remember Nate from the episode we did with him recently, where Phil, Nate and I discussed Nate's

book called Injury Impoverished Workplace Accidents, Capitalism, and Law in the Progressive

Era. Nate is also an assistant professor of law, politics, and society at

Drake University. And he is here today with R.D. and I to talk about a recent essay called

Depoliticizing Social Murder in the COVID-19 pandemic. Nate, welcome back to the show. It's so

nice to have you back. It's an honor to be back. I'm delighted to be here. Thank you.

So I thought to start us off, for people who might not be familiar with your work, who maybe haven't heard our long interview about your book, can you quickly set up what your research interests are and what your background is like, maybe as a way to lead us into talking briefly about what the overall argument of this recent piece is.

Yeah, sure thing. So I wrote this book called Injury Impoverished, and it was a long,

winding journey to get there. But the gist of the book is it, it's an examination of workplace

injury law in the early 20th century United States. And I like to say the summary is things used to be bad and worse than you think,

but then later they were differently bad and worse than you think.

And the idea is that within employee injury law,

there are different forms of organizing social responses to harms that people incur in their work.

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