Hey it's John with the Conversations That Matter Podcast. Today I want to talk about the downgrade

of southeastern Baptist theological seminary in Wake Forest, North Carolina. I'm a southeastern

grad. I got my MDive last spring spring but I think I have a unique perspective on the social justice movement

What's happened at southeastern, but then it has implications I guess for broader evangelicalism because I was at

southeastern about four years ago as a student I left for a little while took online

courses and then I came back.

And the transformation that I saw was truly incredible.

I want to take you through this step by step,

and I have some preliminary remarks before I really get into the story because it's easy to take my

words and to misconstrue them or to twist them so I want to be careful, as careful as I can in conveying this. I visited campus in 2013 that summer. I

attended in the fall and then I left campus like I said for a few years, came back in fall of 2017, graduated spring of 2018.

Unlike many, I can make this video because I did not accept any money from southeastern, or I should say from the Southern Baptist

convention. Many of the students that attend do accept money. I think I was one of

maybe two that I knew of that didn't.

And so a lot of the people that go there

are going to go into Southern Baptist churches

or work for missions organizations

in the Southern Baptist Convention.

And if they had a problem with what

southeastern is doing, they really couldn't say much about it.

There is an 11th commandment in the SBC and that is don't speak evil of a

fellow Southern Baptist.

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