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All right, let's talk about this week's episode.

So I had the opportunity to sit down remotely of course yeah there's

still a pandemic going on with Adrian Marie Brown she's the writer and residence at the

emergent strategy ideation institute and she's written a bunch of really wonderful books.

Her newest is called Holding Change, The Way of Emergent Strategy Facilitation, and mediation.

We also talk about we will not cancel us

and other dreams of transformative justice.

She has also written a book called

Pleasure Activism, Shaping Change,

and she's also the co-host of three different podcasts,

How to Survive the End of the World,

Octavia's Parables and Emergent Strategy and also this is pretty cool.

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