A loving leader will love his wife unconditionally. He will love her when she's

doesn't deserve loving. When she hurts him and says harsh things to him, he will do

exactly what God does. He loves us even when we do wrong and so a husband will love his wife

unconditionally. And I like to say guys I don't think you'll do that without the help of

God. Welcome to Family Life Today, where we want to help you pursue the relationships that matter most.

I'm Shelby Abbott and your hosts are David. help you can pursue the relationships that matter most.

I'm Shelby Abbott and your hosts are Dave and Ann Wilson.

You can find us at family life today.com.

This is family life today. as we were interviewing Gary Chapman.

Who's back with us today?

I had already read his book, but I found myself taking notes for myself personally,

not just for the interview, like, oh, I need to do this and this. I have

two pages of notes of things that I need to change in my marriage to be better.

Oh, I'm feeling the exact same thing and we're not newlyweds.

We're four decades in and we're taking notes not to teach somebody else which we do a lot of

for our own marriage.

Yes. This is stuff you need to hear.

If you missed yesterday, go back and listen.

And then come back to day too,

because we only got two of the five traits of a healthy family.

Gary, thanks for being with us. Can you review

yesterday in like a minute? The first one serving?

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