Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor,

where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award-winning journalist,

Joel Waldman. What's up, STS Nation, and welcome to this amazing episode of Surviving the Survivor,

the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guess in true crime and every Friday it's a show so good

it happens every week great Scott it's your true crime fill Phil Waters. It is an amazing surprise to me. He said he was running 10 to 15 minutes late, but here he is coming to us from what appears to be a hotel room in an

undisclosed location somewhere on one of the Hawaiian Islands. Phil, how many actual Hawaiian islands are there,

and can you tell us anything about why you're on vacation

while on vacation?

Oh, actually, in the Carpeggio, you know, I don't know. I don't know the exact number of violence because there's a there's several Molokai Lanai, Kauai, Oahu, the Big Island, Maui.

So there's a host of them in there.

I think there's only maybe, I don't know,

seven major islands, something like that, six major islands,

but that will be an, and that will, I will

will make an inquiry about.

Please do.

And right out of the gates here, Laughing, Lori wants to know,

did Phil get a haircut, Phil, it is it is you know usually when you're on the

the big island you let the hair grow the gotega what's happening here and by the way

black whitter says Phil is looking smashing that means good.

Yes I did get a haircut I am on a wahoo to answer your first question I am on a wahoo to answer your first question. I am on a wahoo here in Honolulu and I am actually at the Hyatt Regency Waikiki so right across from me is Waikiki, the beach. And it's a beautiful view from here, although it is just

another big city, but it is a, we here for a an evangelism conference which I'm sure we'll get everybody

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